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Content warning this episode for discussions of sexual assault and sexual harassment.
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We don't go into any detail, but if this topic is a trigger for you, I recommend you skip it.
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People got into the server via TikTok, so oftentimes they would see my character on TikTok and then be surprised that they could, like, interact with me as a human being.
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And I want people to focus on the content, not the fact that I'm a pretty girl on the internet that has nice looking titties.
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I made her very, um sexually free and very emotionally unavailable.
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First of all, hello.
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Like, nice to meet you.
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I don't even know who you are.
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Second of all, no.
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So what does she look like?
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Me.
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Friends, welcome to Characters Without Stories, a TTRPG podcast about the roads not yet traveled.
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I'm Star.
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This episode, I'm joined by Alejandra.
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Alejandra is a queer Latinx TTRPG creator, one half of the Table Talk podcast duo.
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And a TTRPG character artist.
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Alejandra, welcome to the show.
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Hi, thank you so much for having me.
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I'm so excited to have you.
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I'm a big fan of your podcast, and I'm really excited to hear about your character.
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So how did you get into TTRPGs?
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I got into it, I started like my first year in community college.
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I've always been nerdy, love video games, love anime, all that jazz.
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And I had a friend who mentioned wanting to get into Dungeons and Dragons, and he asked if I would learn to play if he got a game together.
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And I was like, yeah, sure.
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I love fantasy and like, I don't really know what Dungeons and Dragons entails, but I'll, I'll play.
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And then once I did like a little bit of research, I was like, Oh, cool.
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I have to act in front of people.
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And like, I have no acting experience or nothing else.
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I was very nervous.
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Tried it out that one time, then like, That particular game was not my vibe because of, like, other people that were there.
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He was great.
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He was telling a great story.
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It's the other people that were just like, I just want to do combat, roll damage, and, like, not interact with anything else.
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And I was not about it.
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So it, like, laid dormant for a few years until I graduated college.
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And then I had another friend, you know, I was in the, in a time of my life where I was like, trying to find a new friend group and he was like, you know, you mentioned that you played one time.
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I have a space at my table if you want to join and meet new people.
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And I was like, yeah, no, I'm desperate for friends.
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Like, let me, let me in that.
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And that was the first time I sat at a table with people that actually like loved to play and were role playing and like had character voices and I like that's when the bug bit me and I was like, Oh, I didn't know it could be like this.
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I was like, cool, awesome.
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So I got addicted, heavy.
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And then I basically got really into, like, D&D TikTok.
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And, like, I had an account that blew up subsequently because of a trend.
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And, like, I just got really entrenched in all of it.
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And so now I've been playing for the past, I want to say, like, five or six years.
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And I actually started DMing a full year ago now.
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I'm a new baby DM.
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And of course, like, now we started the podcast as well.
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So I'm just like, I'm just knee deep.
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In that at this point, it's my entire life.
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How long have you been doing the podcast for?
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So the podcast started in July last year.
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So, so we're relatively like pretty new, but we had a lot of good like reception and stuff and we met a lot of cool people.
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We ended up kind of on a whim going to PAX Unplugged and met more creators that way and had like a big flood of guests that we got to like, bring onto the show and stuff like that.
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And so now we're just, we're just keeping on keeping on.
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Alejandra, who are you bringing to the table today?
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I'm bringing my character, Reyna.
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I've built her story for a long time, but never actually gotten to formally play her at a game.
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I joined that one campaign, and then, like, quarantine happened, so we couldn't actually meet up and play.
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But at that point, I was bit by the bug.
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I'm all in D&D now.
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And so my TikTok was flooded with D&D stuff, and I remember there being a time where, you know how people do things where it's like, oh, this is my tavern, or this is my guild, or whatever, and so one guy just kind of came across my page, and he's like, what about a thieves guild?
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And so, a little bit later he did like a video of him playing out like recruiting people for the Thieves Guild and I don't know what came over me but I was just like I have a barbarian costume in my closet and I just like made this character on a whim and then just started like interacting with his post and then he created a Discord like roleplay server so a lot of the story that was going on on Discord was also playing out on TikTok and it was D&D related but it was mostly like roleplay heavy.
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So I played that character on the server and the TikTok for like a good year or two, basically, like the whole time we were basically on lockdown and all that stuff.
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So I got to really like develop her story, but I've never actually gotten to like be at a campaign, like an actual game, and play her.
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Even now, I'm like, I'm a DM, and so I get to play her as like an NPC, but I've always been interested at the thought of like, I know how her story turned out via just pure like storytelling and roleplay, but I'd always be so interested to see what she would be like if I started her over in an actual game with other people that are like at that game participating with me.
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Right.
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This is an interesting style of play that I am not all that familiar with is these kinds of text based, server based, I don't know if you'd call it play by post, if that's kind of the situation that you're talking about.
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Pretty much, yeah.
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Not something I've done a whole lot of.
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How did that work between you playing on TikTok and in the server, like what kinds of things were happening in the server to develop your character?
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Were you acting out scenes or what kind of things were happening?
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It was kind of, if you could think of it as like a living world.
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So every channel and every category was like a different section of the ship we were on.
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The city that we were docked at, et cetera, et cetera.
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And it just kept kind of building itself out as people played and they would kind of "yes, and" and create new sections of the world together.
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And so it would be kind of a play by post and you just kind of wake up and you're like, okay, where am I going to drop my girl off today?
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Is she waking up at the tavern?
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Is she on the ship?
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Is she wherever?
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And you just kind of like do a little post where you're like, oh, my character wakes up and like starts kind of wandering around to see who's there and people will start kind of interacting with you and saying hi and whatever and I was like those scenes kind of play out.
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It is like a conversation that's going back and forth.
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Other people can kind of hop in and influence the story and then kind of the D&D mechanic of it is like there's like weird little rules, right?
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So like us talking in parentheses is us having like out of character conversation so if we're like depicting a scene with our character what they're saying back and forth you could like in parentheses be like you can make an insight check if you want or something they would roll and like kind of we play out how that scene goes still based on like the rolls and stuff but it was a lot more like role play based there would still be scenes where there would be combat and a lot of the story that was happening on Discord would bleed over to TikTok and like vice versa.
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So it was kind of like the two were affecting each other and the main like admin team, which I eventually like became a part of was orchestrating events.
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So it would be like, our first big thing was a ballroom heist situation.
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So everyone got invited to the ball.
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And as we were part of the Thieves Guild, like there was certain missions to like steal things from certain rooms.
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And the admins were DMing like the ballroom, the dining room, the whatever.
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And I was one of them.
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I think mine was the dining room.
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So I'd be playing my character in other rooms while also controlling the DM situation.
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That's a lot.
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I was splitting my brain.
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Yeah.
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But it was so, it was so fun.
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And like, it really, really engaging.
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And I loved interacting with other people's characters and like the stories that would kind of develop on their own in that way.
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And it was, I don't know, it was, it was definitely a very fun way to play, but it's definitely very like fun.
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Very role play heavy.
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How many people were in that server?
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Over 300 at the peak of it.
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So there's a big difference between 300 people in a server and four or five people at a table.
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Absolutely correct.
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Yeah, no, there were times where, and this feels like weird to say, but there were people that were fans of my character and like people got into the server via TikTok, so oftentimes they would see my character on TikTok and they'd be surprised that they could like interact with me as a human being on the server.
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And I'm like, yeah, no, I'm just a character that's beep bopping around.
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And it would be at times, like, I would enter a chat room like, oh, I'm just gonna enter and go RP.
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And it would be like, because there's so many people actively role playing in there, like, it would be like, many people want to have a conversation with me at once.
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So I'm carrying, like, several dialogues in one text thread, and that's going so fast.
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And you're like, okay, this is a lot.
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This is overwhelming.
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Yeah.
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So at one point I had to start like designating private rooms that were like, oh, Reyna's bedroom at the tavern.
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And I'm like, okay, this way I can kind of like funnel in people individually and not be overwhelmed with so much activity.
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But I'd still want to like interact with as many people as possible.
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So yeah, it was, it was interesting, especially when it got so, so busy.
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It was, it was a lot to manage.
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What is the biggest thing that you miss about not having the opportunity to play her in a campaign with a smaller group of people?
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I would love to watch the moments of like, failure, I think, because to a certain degree, whenever you're just doing like, roleplay heavy stuff, even though there are rolls involved, it's a lot of like, you're succeeding at most of the things that you do because you're trying to tell a specific kind of story.
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And there's not that element of like, ah, the dice are really, really fucking me over right now.
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And like, I love the moments of failure.
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I love the not ones because I feel like those are the moments where you have a lot of interesting character development.
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And all of the character development she had was because of like me forcing it right like I'm putting her through a hardship or trauma or something to kind of get her to grow and become something at one point I'm part of the admin team so I'm like much higher level than everybody else because I have to be or whatever it's like I didn't get to develop her in a very natural organic way if that makes sense so I would love to see what she would have turned out to be.
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If it wasn't up to me what she became, if that makes sense.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think it's an interesting idea.
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Failure is so much a part of role playing games.
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Again, for me, it's also one of my favorite parts of role playing games.
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And it wouldn't really be a tabletop role playing game if we didn't have some element of randomness.
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Like some gameplay element, because we can always just sit around at a table and tell a story together, but we're putting it into a specific gaming setting, and I think especially with D&D, like, the rolls mean a lot.
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So, when you're talking about putting your character through trauma, through failure, having drawbacks to her over time, how do you do that without the dice?
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For me, it's an interesting element of like, I, for whatever reason, and I don't know what that says about me, love to put my favorite characters through just really hard shit.
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And it would be like, yeah, I can't let Reyna be too happy for too long.
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Like something, something's gotta, gotta go.
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Because I just, I just feel like the getting her to go through some struggle or big things like that is what gave her chances to prove herself or, or things like that.
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But the way that that kind of looked for her, it was interesting because when I first started her, I didn't have an origin.
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I put makeup on and I was like, I don't know.
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I picked a fucking name.
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I speak Spanish, so I just named her Reyna.
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I'm a Leo.
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I have, I have ego issues.
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Like, I just went with that.
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But when I got into the server, and this is one of my favorite things, I met one of my favorite people, Oak, through that server, and he was a goliath walking around in like a purple suit, real flashy, and he had like a book that he would constantly be writing in.
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And he'd talk to people, but as he would talk to you and have conversations, he'd be jotting things down in this notebook.
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And so when I first interacted with him, he would be asking her things about who she is, where she comes from, and all that stuff.
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And homie, I made this girl two seconds ago, and I have no fucking clue, like, what her deal is at all.
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But in the moment, you're roleplaying it live, so I was like, I just made her dodgy about it.
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I'm like, you know, I'm not gonna tell you, like, where I would come from or be very vague about it.
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And it came off a certain way.
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Now I have to figure out why she's that way.
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There has to be a reason for her to be dodgy.
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And I just kind of came up with this whole thing of like, she used to be a human noble.
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And it came from a lot of the things that I was consuming at the time because I was reading the ACOTAR [A Court of Thorns and Roses] series and watching The Witcher along with some lore from our current campaign.
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And so it became a thing of her father was just like kind of a lowly lord with a lot of ambition.
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He kept sending people out to the Feywilds because he heard somebody else got a lot of rewards that he took back and made himself rich from the Feywilds and he was sacrificing a lot of people to go to the Feywilds to, to figure out if he could make a deal with someone and he finally did and it was like a, like the bargain of surprise in The Witcher where you make a deal and then whatever that person returns to when they get home is yours.
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And for him, it was his daughter.
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Oh, okay.
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Because timey wimey shit.
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Once you're in the Feywild to get back, and you're just like, oh shit, I have a kid now.
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But that Fey didn't come collect until she was old enough to be coronated.
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And he basically went in, was like, nope, you're coming home with me.
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And her mom helped her escape.
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Her mom was an adventurer, and she had a deal that she hadn't cashed in with a hag, and the hag basically made it so that her name would be scrubbed from everyone's memory, and no one could recollect what she looked like, but in turn, she had to basically take on somebody else's fate, and so she had to just become something completely different, and she became a barbarian with no name, no title, nothing to herself, and I think eventually, like, got into the coliseums and like, that's how she earned some money and fame and notoriety, but was always trying to get as far away from her kingdom as possible.
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And the deal was like, if someone connected the dots organically on their own, then the spell would be broken and that Fey could find her.
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Okay, yeah, I was going to ask what are the repercussions if she gets found out.
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Well, those are some pretty big ones.
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Yeah, some pretty big ones.
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It was kind of like I thought of it as there's power in a name, and that your name is carried like across the memory of other people.
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So I think that is like his web of trying to figure out where she is, is when someone remembered who she was.
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Speaking of the power of a name, Reyna is a very powerful name.
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Why did you choose that one?
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At the time, I don't know that I had any logic.
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What, one of the things I like a lot is sometimes making a choice on a whim, and then in the hindsight, realizing how good it connects with things.
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At the time, I didn't have the lore of, like, she is a to be queen situation but it helped shape that decision because I was like well her name is Reyna maybe this but I knew that Reyna what she was currently going as is not her real name and I eventually again on a whim picked the name Aurelia.
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So Aurelia means the golden one.
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Yes and so when a lot of what that made sense for me is like gold is a big like theme that I carry through a lot of my characters actually.
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Most of my favorite characters have gold eyes because I have very light colored hazel eyes and they oftentimes look like caramel colored or gold in the sunlight.
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So that's like my little like piece of me that I like to just like throw in there.
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That and I just like gold jewelry.
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I'm a fucking Leo and the most stereotypical one that you'll ever meet probably.
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So I was just like, I, I weave that through a lot of like her aesthetic and things that are important to her and, and like what she looks like.
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So I was like, ah, all of these things are lining up really well and I like it.
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So what does she look like?
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Me.
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Because at the time with TikTok and stuff, I was like, I'm broke because quarantine.
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And I was like, I can't afford to really go get like a wig or, or much else.
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So the easiest bit was like making her look like me.
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So she's, she's got my big old curly hair.
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She's got my gold eyes.
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And then I just do like, most of the work was like makeup and then whatever I had in cosplay that I already owned.
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She's a self insert as like you can humanly possibly get pretty, pretty shamelessly.
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Yeah, I think probably in a bit we'll get into other ways that she's a self insert, but just starting at the top level where you got started with her, it was in reaction to a TikTok, starting with the cosplay, did you just have this costume lying around and you're like, this is it?
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Like, how did that start?
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Yeah, so I made that costume for the first time that I dressed up at Ren Faire.
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I made a costume for my girlfriend at the time.
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She was like a Celtic warrior situation.
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And then we just went thrifting and we were just like finding whatever we could.
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And I, from the same fur that I made, like the lining of her cloak, I did like barbarian fur on a bra, basically, and just did like moccasin skin on it.
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And like, Put a bunch of bones everywhere and like, whatever.
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It was just a very simple, easy costume that I put together.
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And she had like a little fur cloak that just covered her shoulders.
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And I just had that laying around because of Renaissance festival.
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And I was like, well, I have this, I can make her a barbarian.
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And I was like, what the fuck is a barbarian doing in a thieves guild?
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Mind your business.
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No idea.
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No idea.
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I'm the muscle, I guess.
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We're talking about a character who you have played through on the server, basically level one to Archfey.
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Yeah.
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If you were to start over again in a campaign, would you start at level one?
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And would that be a blank slate?
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Or are you going to be bringing in things that you discovered about her?
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So I think if I stuck to her original, like, origin lore, I think she would start a little higher level, not anything crazy, but probably somewhere around, like, maybe level five or so, because eventually, like, the reason she had some combat prowess, and I think at the end of the server, we even started not quite at level one, we started at, like, level four or something.
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So part of that lore was, like, that she eventually kind of found her way.
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Into a coliseum and was like, I'm just going to fight my way up the ranks and earn my freedom again, but then come out of it with some money and some notoriety and some title, a bit of a reputation that I can hide underneath, essentially, I think she would start probably around there, like pre thieves guild.
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But like, just getting out of that situation.
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Do you think that the things that you have role played with her in the server would come into how you play her moving forward from a new origin point?
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Or would you want to just be a completely different character moving forward?
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I would be so down to like, watch her become something entirely different.
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Because again, it's like, it's a lot of that became an influence of the environment and the other stories that were happening around me.
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I think the element of like, the, the Fey that is hunting her down would still be part of, you know, the looming threat that the DM could do with whatever he or she's so pleased.
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But I think I would like to see what alternative situation would have become of that.
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Cause yeah, I think in the.
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In the server, eventually, like, one of the big major events that we hosted and people could be a part of was the fact that, like, Reyna gets kidnapped, and so they conscript a party out of the Thieves' Guild to go hunt her down and, like, get her back from the Feywilds.
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They defeat the Archfey and get her back, and when they kill him, she gains her first level of wild magic, Warlock.
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Oh, interesting.
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So she starts dipping into warlock.
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She starts multi classing.
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Yeah, I think she's a wild magic barbarian.
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And I forget, it was like the Fey warlock.
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Archfey patron, something like that.
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Yeah.
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Tell me about this warlock deal that was struck.
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Some of the lore that I have for Velendryn, and I'm going to be selective about my choices in this because she is, uh, an NPC in my game.
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My players listen to this.
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There's some things that need to, that need to stay hidden, but she wasn't the first woman he did this with.